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Stormlord1
- Sunday at 11:35 PM
- #16,901
Nodragon said:
Poise breaking bosses is mostly worthless in DS3 due to elemental weakness being the bulk of your true damage combined with parry
It's not like Elden ring where the majority of bosses have seizer, so you want to either kill them at range, chain poise break or use mimic tear so they can stay in place for 2 seconds
the square off in Elden Ring is the one I believe they are talking about. It is basically unsheath for straight swords in terms of breaking bosses. Are there better ashes? Sure but in PVE it is not completely useless.
The Curious Fan
- Monday at 12:00 AM
- #16,902
Nodragon said:
Poise breaking bosses is mostly worthless in DS3 due to elemental weakness being the bulk of your true damage combined with parry
It's not like Elden ring where the majority of bosses have seizer, so you want to either kill them at range, chain poise break or use mimic tear so they can stay in place for 2 seconds
Yes and I'm talking about Square Off being good in Elden Ring since the post I was replying to implied that it's bad.
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CGArcher14
- Monday at 12:29 PM
- #16,903
Facing Malenia in NG+ with a FAI/DEX build (70/40) with 41 Mind. Any suggestions on what I should be using?
First time I beat her on my initial playthrough I was using dual quality straight swords. My first playthrough for any FS game is typically a quality build so that I have the necessary physicals to try out a bunch of weapon types.
I don't want want to beat her the same way using a dual weapon set up. But trying to blast her with spells seems really tough to do.
Common Prophet
The Power of Common Sense compels you
- Monday at 12:42 PM
- #16,904
CGArcher14 said:
Facing Malenia in NG+ with a FAI/DEX build (70/40) with 41 Mind. Any suggestions on what I should be using?
First time I beat her on my initial playthrough I was using dual quality straight swords. My first playthrough for any FS game is typically a quality build so that I have the necessary physicals to try out a bunch of weapon types.
I don't want want to beat her the same way using a dual weapon set up. But trying to blast her with spells seems really tough to do.
Probably Blasphemous Blade? The AoW is powerful enough to knock her out of most attack animations and heal you at the same time. Slap on Flame Grant me Strength, Shard of Alexander, add the fire buff in your physick and spawn a Mimic and she's as good as gone. I think it's the best scaling Faith weapon in the game.
Chocolote12
- Monday at 12:49 PM
- #16,905
CGArcher14 said:
Facing Malenia in NG+ with a FAI/DEX build (70/40) with 41 Mind. Any suggestions on what I should be using?
First time I beat her on my initial playthrough I was using dual quality straight swords. My first playthrough for any FS game is typically a quality build so that I have the necessary physicals to try out a bunch of weapon types.
I don't want want to beat her the same way using a dual weapon set up. But trying to blast her with spells seems really tough to do.
Are you using the Halo Scythe? It's got bleed, a tracking projectile that can usually hit her, and enough stagger that you can bully her out of her weaker attacks.
It also doesn't look like a meat popsicle, if those aren't your thing.
People make much ado about high holy resistances, but even with them the holy weapons are very strong choices.
Nodragon
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- Monday at 12:58 PM
- #16,906
CGArcher14 said:
Facing Malenia in NG+ with a FAI/DEX build (70/40) with 41 Mind. Any suggestions on what I should be using?
First time I beat her on my initial playthrough I was using dual quality straight swords. My first playthrough for any FS game is typically a quality build so that I have the necessary physicals to try out a bunch of weapon types.
I don't want want to beat her the same way using a dual weapon set up. But trying to blast her with spells seems really tough to do.
List of faith based things that cheese Malenia ( she deserves it )
- Double giant seal pure fire incantation with the following spells, Flame grant me strenght/ Flame fell upon them/ Giant flame take thee/ Catch flame ( (Flame fell upon them and catch flame is the most important spells here)
-Giant red braid , the ash of war completely stunlock her and its the only thing this garbage weapon is good at, against anything else with auto active hyper armor its ass
-Blasphemous blade
-Black flame tornado, although i highly advise you to use it when she is stuck in a long recover animation, you dont want her to use water diarrhea out of of nowhere point blank
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CGArcher14
- Monday at 1:07 PM
- #16,907
Nodragon said:
List of faith based things that cheese Malenia ( she deserves it )
- Double giant seal pure fire incantation with the following spells, Flame grant me strenght/ Flame fell upon them/ Giant flame take thee/ Catch flame ( (Flame fell upon them and catch flame is the most important spells here)
-Giant red braid , the ash of war completely stunlock her and its the only thing this garbage weapon is good at, against anything else with auto active hyper armor its ass
-Blasphemous blade
-Black flame tornado, although i highly advise you to use it when she is stuck in a long recover animation, you dont want her to use water diarrhea out of of nowhere point blank
I've been using the Golden Order seal (70FAI/30INT) and the Godslayer sword for this playthrough. But the 50% Holy Resist on all the demigods sort of makes using the fundamentalist spells not worth it. And she's so quick that being in melee with a Greatsword or heavier weapon is terrifying.
I tried switching to more lightning incantations and using Bolt of Gransax to exploit the increased lighting damage in the arena's center pool of water. But I don't deal quite enough damage with the spear since my STR is lower. And those dragon weapons scale a lot better with STR/DEX than they do DEX/FAI it feels like. And so far trying to go for the dragon communion spells against her has been a bit tougher than I thought it'd be.
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Emissary of Stuff
a fellow Eucaryote
He/Him
- Monday at 1:15 PM
- #16,908
CGArcher14 said:
Facing Malenia in NG+ with a FAI/DEX build (70/40) with 41 Mind. Any suggestions on what I should be using?
Have you tried the Dragon King's Cragblade? That's mostly a DEX Weapon.
Soulgazer
- Monday at 1:45 PM
- #16,909
Fire is the best option against Malenia. Even in the water pool, its only equal to lightning (10 res both), otherwise fire is more effective (0 fire res to 20 lightning).
That said solo Malenia's pretty hard for a cast incantation build. Even on my incantation caster I eventually resorted to using a flame art halberd and jump attacks to stagger. The cast times are just too long. Dragon Communion is borderline suicide with how long the startup is against her.
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Negative Zero
Gamer (hard R)
- Monday at 2:14 PM
- #16,910
On my own dex/fth character I used a flame art infused glaive with black flame tornado and the black blade dagger. If you're using a spirit summon you'll get lots of opportunities to sneak up on her and hit the damage button with the tornado or take potshots at her with the dagger's damage button. You get guaranteed destined death spam when Malenia does her rot flower spell too.
Also the ancient dragon weapons don't scale with faith at all. They're pure dex weapons with an unreasonable strength tax.
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ShoggothHat
The Littlest Affront to Nature
- Monday at 2:18 PM
- #16,911
Soulgazer said:
The cast times are just too long. Dragon Communion is borderline suicide with how long the startup is against her.
The secret to Dragon Communion only vs Malenia is to abuse the knockdown on Dragonmaw and proper spacing - it has just enough range that you can get her from outside of the attack range, so you can Dragonmaw wice, then back out to reset, and repeat. As long as you can dodge Scarlet Aeonia and the Shadow Clone attack in phase two, it's pretty okay (you can also get some breath attacks after Aeonia). The main concern is actually running out of FP.
Source: me, who killed Malenia with Dragon communion only. Because I hate myself.
CGArcher14 said:
Facing Malenia in NG+ with a FAI/DEX build (70/40) with 41 Mind. Any suggestions on what I should be using?
For FAI/DEX, I believe I went with Black Flame Tornado the first time, as it was a Godskin cosplay build, but second time it was more or less pure BIG FIRE. More specifically, free-aiming charged 'Giant's Flame Take Thee' with Flame of the Fell God as backup proxy mine to avoid getting rushed. As with above and the Dragon Communion spells, we're here to abuse the knockdown capability of Incantations + Malenia's AI + Good spacing.
Nodragon
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- Monday at 2:53 PM
- #16,912
Soulgazer said:
That said solo Malenia's pretty hard for a cast incantation build.
that deoends on what school of incantation you are using, i did many tests with 80 faith double seals
Fire giant: Super easy, Flame fell upon them absolutely wrecks her and its ultra cheap and its so wide spread that enemies can never imput dodge it ( it wrecks everything in general ), catch flame is a just there to do damage at close quarter
Dragoncult; the only thing you can hit her with is lighning spear, the melee lighning spears incantantiation variants takes f*cking forever to come out and trading against bosses is an extremely bad idea in general. It's one of the hardest spell builds to kill her with
Dragonc communion: Ice breath + dragon maw spacing, super easy
Black flame; kinda bad.... the entire thing is carried by black flame (fireball ), they just lack giant quick AOE or fast melee spells you can spam. So long as Malenia AI isn't going crazy you can do fine
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CGArcher14
- Monday at 3:13 PM
- #16,913
Emissary of Stuff said:
Have you tried the Dragon King's Cragblade? That's mostly a DEX Weapon.
My DKC is currently +9 while my Bolt of Gransax is +10, so the Bolt just barely has the higher AR. But I think maybe the bigger reach of the Cragblade might be worth it. I'm only in my 2nd playthrough so I don't have +10 Somber to just sink into any weapon I want.
I just did the betrayal ending for Milicent's Quest-line so I could get her other talisman this time. So I'm down another ancient somber for this playthrough unfortunately.
Negative Zero said:
Also the ancient dragon weapons don't scale with faith at all. They're pure dex weapons with an unreasonable strength tax.
I thought the innate lightning on the Dragon weapons scale with FAI though? Does it not? I was under the impression that elemental damage/status always scales with the associated stat even if it's unlisted on the attribute scaling chart.
FAI: Holy/Lightning/Flame Art
INT: Magic/Frost/Fire
ARC: Bleed/Poison
Soulgazer said:
That said solo Malenia's pretty hard for a cast incantation build. Even on my incantation caster I eventually resorted to using a flame art halberd and jump attacks to stagger. The cast times are just too long. Dragon Communion is borderline suicide with how long the startup is against her.
Honestly that's my biggest problem. I'm stubborn and don't summon ashes. That's my personal taste since I like soloing the bosses. I enjoy Elden Ring PVP and have definitely helped others do bosses in other games. But I don't summon help for bosses.
So I should probably just git gud on that front
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Soulgazer
- Monday at 3:16 PM
- #16,914
CGArcher14 said:
I thought the innate lightning on the Dragon weapons scale with FAI though? Does it not? I was under the impression that elemental damage/status always scales with the associated stat even if it's unlisted on the attribute scaling chart.
FAI: Holy/Lightning/Flame Art
INT: Magic/Frost/Fire
ARC: Bleed/Poison
I'm fairly certain that only applies to AoE effects and status. Even if that were not the case, lightning is tied to dex, not faith.
Corvo
Minimal chaos
- Monday at 3:34 PM
- #16,915
CGArcher14 said:
I thought the innate lightning on the Dragon weapons scale with FAI though?
No brother, lightning is Dex and fire/flame is fth/str.
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Negative Zero
Gamer (hard R)
- Monday at 3:52 PM
- #16,916
CGArcher14 said:
I thought the innate lightning on the Dragon weapons scale with FAI though? Does it not? I was under the impression that elemental damage/status always scales with the associated stat even if it's unlisted on the attribute scaling chart.
FAI: Holy/Lightning/Flame Art
INT: Magic/Frost/Fire
ARC: Bleed/Poison
Nah only lightning spells get powered up by your faith, but thats the same for all offensive incantations anyways. Lightning infused weapons scale off dex.
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